leon panetta's still secretary of defense until they decide whether or not to confirm chuck hagel. charleston, military town, very much supported by the military. this could be where it stings, but what penalty do republicans -- you're a republican member of congress, what penalty is there to bay? >> apparently some of the big budget cutters who are republicans have started to quietly approach some of the cabinet secretaries. can you exempt my little project, my road rebuilding project from what's about to happen. and i think that's actually the leverage that is most effective for the president. look, the town halls and the tour, it's going to be important in those particular markets to put pressure on particular members of congress but in a million other districts that are going to be people who are going to start to see projects go by the wayside and these folks got an eye on the calendar. 2014 is not that far away and they don't want to explain about the project. >> where are government projects good politics anymore? >> if half the sequestration cuts are to the defense budget,